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		<title>By: XXXXX</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE CAMERA YET? I GUESS NOT. LET ME TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING YOU WANNABE PHOTO-ARTISTES, IT&#039;S ALL IN THE FEEL. I PERSONALLY DON&#039;T CARE ABOUT NUMBERS BUT I RECENTLY HELD THE 550D IN A STORE AND GUESS WHAT? IT FELT GREAT, IT FELT LIKE I WAS HOLDING MY OWN PENIS. IT&#039;S STILL AND SLR AND I WOULDN&#039;T TRUST THOSE SAMPLE IMAGES TO BEGIN WITH.

I&#039;M A CANON USER MYSELF, LEARNED THE BASISCS WITH AN AE-1 AND WOULDN&#039;T USE A DIFFERENT BRAND, SO SPEAKING ONLY FOR ME THE 550D DOES FEEL LIKE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER BOTH THE 450D AND 500D.

PLUS, THERE&#039;S PLENTY MORE SAMPLE IMAGES YOU CAN FIND ONLINE AND - MOST IMPORTANTLY - PHOTOGRAPHS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE PERFECT OR FLAWLESS, THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER&#039;S MIND, PSYCHE, THOUGHTS, ETC. SO STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES RUNNING OUT OF THE OLD CANON BREAST MILK AND GET ON WITH THE PROGRAM, IF YOU DON&#039;T LIKE IT BUY SOMETHING ELSE AND MOVE ON.

RESPECT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE CAMERA YET? I GUESS NOT. LET ME TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING YOU WANNABE PHOTO-ARTISTES, IT&#8217;S ALL IN THE FEEL. I PERSONALLY DON&#8217;T CARE ABOUT NUMBERS BUT I RECENTLY HELD THE 550D IN A STORE AND GUESS WHAT? IT FELT GREAT, IT FELT LIKE I WAS HOLDING MY OWN PENIS. IT&#8217;S STILL AND SLR AND I WOULDN&#8217;T TRUST THOSE SAMPLE IMAGES TO BEGIN WITH.</p>
<p>I&#8217;M A CANON USER MYSELF, LEARNED THE BASISCS WITH AN AE-1 AND WOULDN&#8217;T USE A DIFFERENT BRAND, SO SPEAKING ONLY FOR ME THE 550D DOES FEEL LIKE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER BOTH THE 450D AND 500D.</p>
<p>PLUS, THERE&#8217;S PLENTY MORE SAMPLE IMAGES YOU CAN FIND ONLINE AND &#8211; MOST IMPORTANTLY &#8211; PHOTOGRAPHS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE PERFECT OR FLAWLESS, THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER&#8217;S MIND, PSYCHE, THOUGHTS, ETC. SO STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES RUNNING OUT OF THE OLD CANON BREAST MILK AND GET ON WITH THE PROGRAM, IF YOU DON&#8217;T LIKE IT BUY SOMETHING ELSE AND MOVE ON.</p>
<p>RESPECT.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Melvin</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reactions some people are having to this camera (and the 7D before it) seem to be based more on some of the old wives&#039; tales they learned on DP Review rather than from actual experience. 

I own a 7D and find its sensor to be excellent. I have several non-L lenses that have more than enough resolution for the sensor. The 17-55 f/2.8, in particular, produces absolutely phenomenal lenses in combination with the 7D. When I want absolute image quality, I use this combo a lot more than I use my 5D.

My reaction to the 550D announcement was that I became very, very interested in it. If the sensor performs as well as the 7D&#039;s, this would make an excellent back-up camera at events. In fact, its much-lighter weight could make this my primary camera for a lot of work. 

Canon (and Nikon and Pentax and everybody else) has long sold cameras with lenses that couldn&#039;t get the most out of their cameras. Think about all those crappy 35-70s that were sold over the years during the film era. Just because they come with a mediocre lens doesn&#039;t mean the rest of the camera shouldn&#039;t be a good performer. The interchangeable lens is the whole reason for this class of camera to exist, after all. 

And even with a crappy kit lens, this will still outperform any compact camera.

There is no penalty for the higher resolution of the sensor. One of the old wives tales is that smaller photosites lead to lower dynamic range, yet DXO itself shows the 7D having 2/3 stop greater DN than the original 5D. That the D90 scores better than the Canons in this department says more about their relative sensor design philosophies than about their pixel pitch.

Your followup post shows the D90 outperforming the 550D in the DXOMark sensor scale 72.6 to 65.6. DXO states that 5 points is 1/3 stop, and this is a seven point difference, so it&#039;s less than half a stop difference between the two in that particular measurement. I truly question whether any image quality differences will be noticeable in typical sized prints. 

People get so worked up sometimes, often based on what they think they know, or when just pixel-peeping. These cameras are well beyond anything we could do in the film era (ever see prints from 3200 speed 35mm film? it isn&#039;t pretty), so really, it&#039;s much ado about nothing as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reactions some people are having to this camera (and the 7D before it) seem to be based more on some of the old wives&#8217; tales they learned on DP Review rather than from actual experience. </p>
<p>I own a 7D and find its sensor to be excellent. I have several non-L lenses that have more than enough resolution for the sensor. The 17-55 f/2.8, in particular, produces absolutely phenomenal lenses in combination with the 7D. When I want absolute image quality, I use this combo a lot more than I use my 5D.</p>
<p>My reaction to the 550D announcement was that I became very, very interested in it. If the sensor performs as well as the 7D&#8217;s, this would make an excellent back-up camera at events. In fact, its much-lighter weight could make this my primary camera for a lot of work. </p>
<p>Canon (and Nikon and Pentax and everybody else) has long sold cameras with lenses that couldn&#8217;t get the most out of their cameras. Think about all those crappy 35-70s that were sold over the years during the film era. Just because they come with a mediocre lens doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of the camera shouldn&#8217;t be a good performer. The interchangeable lens is the whole reason for this class of camera to exist, after all. </p>
<p>And even with a crappy kit lens, this will still outperform any compact camera.</p>
<p>There is no penalty for the higher resolution of the sensor. One of the old wives tales is that smaller photosites lead to lower dynamic range, yet DXO itself shows the 7D having 2/3 stop greater DN than the original 5D. That the D90 scores better than the Canons in this department says more about their relative sensor design philosophies than about their pixel pitch.</p>
<p>Your followup post shows the D90 outperforming the 550D in the DXOMark sensor scale 72.6 to 65.6. DXO states that 5 points is 1/3 stop, and this is a seven point difference, so it&#8217;s less than half a stop difference between the two in that particular measurement. I truly question whether any image quality differences will be noticeable in typical sized prints. </p>
<p>People get so worked up sometimes, often based on what they think they know, or when just pixel-peeping. These cameras are well beyond anything we could do in the film era (ever see prints from 3200 speed 35mm film? it isn&#8217;t pretty), so really, it&#8217;s much ado about nothing as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you all please take a step back, complete an electrical engineering degree (like I have) and then you might be in a better position to understand why Canon is doing what they are doing, it is not just marketing. It is not a simple matter of making a ‘better’ 12MP sensor by sprinkling some fairy dust on it to make the noise go away.

But I do agree 18MP does seem like a lot. If only someone would release a cheap full frame……</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you all please take a step back, complete an electrical engineering degree (like I have) and then you might be in a better position to understand why Canon is doing what they are doing, it is not just marketing. It is not a simple matter of making a ‘better’ 12MP sensor by sprinkling some fairy dust on it to make the noise go away.</p>
<p>But I do agree 18MP does seem like a lot. If only someone would release a cheap full frame……</p>
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		<title>By: I Rest My Case &#124; Thomas Fitzgerald Photography</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>I Rest My Case &#124; Thomas Fitzgerald Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on my comments from the other day about the new Canon Rebel / 550D, DXO labs have run their tests on a pre-production model and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up on my comments from the other day about the new Canon Rebel / 550D, DXO labs have run their tests on a pre-production model and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct that 18MP is a travesty.  It&#039;s all about making the camera look good on paper, and sadly, it does that quite well.  I&#039;m a Nikon D50 owner and I&#039;m itching to buy a D90, but I&#039;m waiting because it&#039;s a year and a half into its life cycle.  I assume a new model is on the way.  And then I see this Canon and I gasped when I saw the specs and the price.  &quot;18MP?  $799 body only?  That&#039;s $100 cheaper than a 12MP D90!  How can this be?&quot;

It&#039;s hard NOT to be fooled by the numbers.  I just hope Nikon doesn&#039;t follow along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct that 18MP is a travesty.  It&#8217;s all about making the camera look good on paper, and sadly, it does that quite well.  I&#8217;m a Nikon D50 owner and I&#8217;m itching to buy a D90, but I&#8217;m waiting because it&#8217;s a year and a half into its life cycle.  I assume a new model is on the way.  And then I see this Canon and I gasped when I saw the specs and the price.  &#8220;18MP?  $799 body only?  That&#8217;s $100 cheaper than a 12MP D90!  How can this be?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard NOT to be fooled by the numbers.  I just hope Nikon doesn&#8217;t follow along.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy-Ivory</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy-Ivory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been more than surprised when I read this information on Canon.com the other day. The 500D still feels so new and I really have no idea why the hell there should be another one coming now. And as many said before: 18MP is a scandal. The RAW data will be a mess and the data size will be enlarged to 15MB or so artificially. Thats not consumer friendly at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been more than surprised when I read this information on Canon.com the other day. The 500D still feels so new and I really have no idea why the hell there should be another one coming now. And as many said before: 18MP is a scandal. The RAW data will be a mess and the data size will be enlarged to 15MB or so artificially. Thats not consumer friendly at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fair point. Funny, I always think of Canon&#039;s good primes as being in the L-series - which I know they&#039;re not. But you&#039;re right. A good prime stopped down will be effective too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fair point. Funny, I always think of Canon&#8217;s good primes as being in the L-series &#8211; which I know they&#8217;re not. But you&#8217;re right. A good prime stopped down will be effective too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tibor</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Tibor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree you wholeheartedly, except for a minor point.

You are saying, &quot;The only way to ever get sharp images from this is to go out an buy L series lenses from Canon&quot;.

I think you can also get sharp images by using primes stopped down. But that is not what consumers are likely to do; they like zooms. And from that point on, I agree with you - consumer zooms are no match for 18mp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree you wholeheartedly, except for a minor point.</p>
<p>You are saying, &#8220;The only way to ever get sharp images from this is to go out an buy L series lenses from Canon&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you can also get sharp images by using primes stopped down. But that is not what consumers are likely to do; they like zooms. And from that point on, I agree with you &#8211; consumer zooms are no match for 18mp.</p>
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		<title>By: K. J. SCHNEIDER</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>K. J. SCHNEIDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE XSI IS-WAS CANON&#039;S BEST REBEL LOW NOISE IMAGE MAKER &amp; BECAUSE OF THE 12.2 PIXELS WAS BEST MATCH FOR APS-C SIZE SENSOR. AN XSI-II W/HD VID INSTEAD OF THE T2I WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER REBEL IDEA. IT WOULD SELL LIKE HOT CAKES. CANON COULD RUN AWAY FROM ALL COMPETITION IF THEY WOULD STOP PUSHING PIXELS INTO THE APS-C SIZE SENSOR. I WANT A REBEL THAT HAS VERY LOW NOISE &amp; SHOOTS 6-8 FRAMES PER SEC. THE XSI SELLS WELL BECAUSE OF THE GREAT LOW NOISE IMAGE AT A LOW COST. THE 7D (18.0 PIXEL )IMAGE NOISE AT ISO 1600 IS NOT NEAR AS GOOD AS THE XSI. CANON PLEASE WAKE UP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE XSI IS-WAS CANON&#8217;S BEST REBEL LOW NOISE IMAGE MAKER &amp; BECAUSE OF THE 12.2 PIXELS WAS BEST MATCH FOR APS-C SIZE SENSOR. AN XSI-II W/HD VID INSTEAD OF THE T2I WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER REBEL IDEA. IT WOULD SELL LIKE HOT CAKES. CANON COULD RUN AWAY FROM ALL COMPETITION IF THEY WOULD STOP PUSHING PIXELS INTO THE APS-C SIZE SENSOR. I WANT A REBEL THAT HAS VERY LOW NOISE &amp; SHOOTS 6-8 FRAMES PER SEC. THE XSI SELLS WELL BECAUSE OF THE GREAT LOW NOISE IMAGE AT A LOW COST. THE 7D (18.0 PIXEL )IMAGE NOISE AT ISO 1600 IS NOT NEAR AS GOOD AS THE XSI. CANON PLEASE WAKE UP.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranger 9</title>
		<link>http://thomasfitzgeraldphotography.com/2010/02/rebel-without-a-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranger 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This megapixel situation seems to be like a bad dinner party: Nobody&#039;s happy with where they&#039;re sitting.

We&#039;ve got Canon people moaning that Canon is packing pixels too tightly. Meanwhile, Nikon has been holding firm to the view that bigger pixels, not more pixels, are better, and sticking with 12mp except in their top large-sensor camera. And what happens? The Nikon-centric forums are full of anguished cries that Nikon is falling behind the pace and has GOT to come out with an 18mp consumer camera pronto, or else. (Maybe all the complainers could just switch cameras with each other...?)

Personally, I&#039;m forced to admit that even 12mp are usually more than I need (rant from last year: http://ranger9.net/?p=46) but I&#039;m likely off the pace as well. Just the other day a casual-snapshooter mom mentioned to me that she takes her favorite snaps of her kids to Costco, where she can get 20x30-inch (!) enlargements for US$9 each. If mega-size enlargements are becoming the norm, then I can see why casual shooters might feel they need mega-mega-pixel counts as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This megapixel situation seems to be like a bad dinner party: Nobody&#8217;s happy with where they&#8217;re sitting.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got Canon people moaning that Canon is packing pixels too tightly. Meanwhile, Nikon has been holding firm to the view that bigger pixels, not more pixels, are better, and sticking with 12mp except in their top large-sensor camera. And what happens? The Nikon-centric forums are full of anguished cries that Nikon is falling behind the pace and has GOT to come out with an 18mp consumer camera pronto, or else. (Maybe all the complainers could just switch cameras with each other&#8230;?)</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m forced to admit that even 12mp are usually more than I need (rant from last year: <a href="http://ranger9.net/?p=46)" rel="nofollow">http://ranger9.net/?p=46)</a> but I&#8217;m likely off the pace as well. Just the other day a casual-snapshooter mom mentioned to me that she takes her favorite snaps of her kids to Costco, where she can get 20&#215;30-inch (!) enlargements for US$9 each. If mega-size enlargements are becoming the norm, then I can see why casual shooters might feel they need mega-mega-pixel counts as well.</p>
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